Frequently Asked Questions
The weight difference between the average high performance rim brakes and discs is about 270gms(0.6 lbs). However, we’ve engineered the wheels to be quite light, the sets weigh around 1,500 gms, about 200-300 gms lighter than comparable wheel sets for the price range of the bikes.
Also, the weight of the rotor is closer to the hub, meaning it requires less inertia to get it moving.
Like any brake, if a disc brake isn’t properly adjusted or contaminated it can make noise. While disc brakes may take a little more set up than rim brakes, once they are set they hold their adjustment extremely well.
The most common causes of noisy brakes are improperly adjusted calipers, loose quick releases, or crooked wheels, and contaminated pads.
To avoid contaminated pads, simply keep any sort of oil or lubricant away from the rotors, don’t touch the rotors’ surface with your hands, and generally keep things clean. Pads and rotors can be cleaned with Isopropyl rubbing alcohol and a CLEAN paper towel.
A properly cared for disc brake can be just as quiet as a rim brake, only with better modulation and all weather performance.
Honestly, there are tradeoffs to both, it just depends on what you want.
Mechanicals tend to be slightly easier to work on since you don’t have to bleed them. Typically, standard brake cables and housing are used, meaning there is the potential that you could get them repaired easier in a pinch (although these days, most shops have everything needed to fix hydraulic brakes as well). They also tend to be cheaper than hydraulics.
However, currently hydraulics tend to have more braking power, better modulation, tend to be quieter and lighter, and need less adjustment. Most of this is due to hydraulic brakes having two self adjusting pistons, whereas mechanicals only have one piston that doesn’t self adjust. The trade off is that they are typically more expensive and require bleeding with special tools for the initial set up.
Most importantly, both mechanical and hydraulic brakes provide huge advantages over regular rim brakes.
Yes. The first generation Liscios are not internally routable though, so hydraulic lines must be run externally with the aid of stick on hose guides such as Jagwire’s: http://jagwireusa.com/index.php/products/v/Stick-On_Guides.
We are working on an upgrade program however, where you can send us your frame and for a small fee we will update the frame to work with hydraulics.
Discs are better in almost every regard with a few exceptions. Mostly, disc brakes offer consistent stopping performance regardless of the conditions. Rain, sleet, snow, mud, dust, whatever, when you grab your brake lever on a disc brake you know it will work. Then there’s the whole part about removing the braking surface from the rim itself. This is important in so many ways. By no longer braking on the rim, you no longer have to worry about heat buildup on long descents causing your tire to blow, or tubular to roll off, especially on carbon rims.
Also, it eliminates the need for a brake track on the rim, opening up the design to me more aero, wider, and lighter since you don’t have to withstand the clamping forces of a brake caliper. Then, on the frame it opens up the use of wider tires since you don’t have to worry about squeezing them through narrow brakes, as well as the use of full fenders even with a 28mm tire.
And we could go on – easier braking from the hoods (more confidence), cleaner, etc…. Bottom line is that there is a reason almost every modern vehicle has adopted the use of disc brakes. We may be pioneers in disc brake road bikes, but you can expect to see a lot more brands adopt in the near future. You heard it here first.
A few benefits:
1. Consistent braking under all conditions: The braking force is consistent so speed control is more predictable even in wet and muddy conditions.
2. Better safety and control: You can modulate or have greater range of control since the stopping force is even with no sudden grabbing and locking of wheels.
3. Better stopping power: Apply more force so you can stop sooner.
4. Less hand fatigue: More stopping power means you don’t have to squeeze your brakes as hard which is a problem on longer descents and cold rides.
5. No black gunk all over the frame: Don’t you hate wet riding knowing you'll have to clean the black stuff from your brake track when you're done?
6. Less maintenance and economical: Since the pad wear is minimal, no need to constantly adjust the cable and pad position. Less wear means less cost to maintain.
7. Easy to adjust: No tools required to adjust brake pad clearance.
8. Discs don't heat up the rim like rim brakes do. Carbon rim: No heat damage to your expensive carbon rims. Also, no longer have the possibility of blowing tires/tubes or rolling tubulars from overheating rims on long descents or from “riding” the brakes.
9. Brake even with broken wheels: Disk brakes are not affected by the conditions of the spokes or rims; so even if you break a spoke, you don’t lose braking.
10. Wider range of tire sizes: Your range of tires is no longer hampered by clearing narrow brake calipers. No more deflating your tire to get it in and out of the brake.
11. Ride with fenders: No tire clearance issues to worry about without the rim brake calipers.
12. Easier to repair flats: No need to open calipers and adjust pads every time you have a flat.
13. Peace of mind: You have enough things to worry about when going for a ride - your brakes should not be one of them.
Yes, for the Liscio, no for the Viaje. Currently every Liscio comes with removable cable stops to run rim brakes and standard mounting holes for the brake itself. You will need a new Wheelset with a braketrack, and Long reach calipers, but it can be done. Because of the Viaje’s increased tire clearance, road rim brakes will not fit, and the bike is not equipped with post mounts. The Viaje is Disc only.
Yes, the Ignite SL wheel set with carbon rims is sold separately. The MSRP is $1,895.00. Make sure to specify if your frame is 130mm or 135mm spacing.
All wheelsets that come with a Volagi are our own design. The Ignite EL wheel set with alloy rims are provided on the Liscio Dura-Ace and Liscio Ultegra models and features 24 straight pull spokes and a semi aero rim shape. The Ignite XL wheel set with 32 spoking is provided on our Liscio Rival.
While we do not offer the Liscio as a stock bike with a triple, it will accept one with the right parts.
For the Liscio, with its BB30 bottom bracket you will need some sort of adapter like Wheels Manufacturing’s BB30 adapter, or one of the BB30 to 24mm adapting bottom brackets from Rotor or RaceFace among others. With these adapters, standard triple cranks can be fitted with the addition of a triple front derailleur and front shifter. On the Viaje, the BB386 Evo bottom bracket has its own adapters that allow for the use of 24mm spindles(most triples).
We know that the bikes will accept a triple however you might want to keep the compact crank (since the FSA’s SL-K is a monocoque carbon arms, expensive and lightweight…) and only swap the rear derailleur to a long cage and run 11-32 Wi-Fli cassettes from Sram, or switch to a mountain bike long cage derailleur (9 speed for Shimano, and 10 speed for Sram) and be able to run up to an 11-36!
Our frames are compatible with just about any drive-train - including Campy.
The challenge can be the wheels (fitting a proprietary Campy cassette), but there are several options:
- Our XL wheels can be fitted with a Campy 11 or 10 speed cassette body
- Our SL (carbon) wheels can be fitted with Campy 11 or 10 speed cassette body
- Our EL wheels can currently be fitted with only the 10 speed cassette body (although, this is something we are working on)
- IRD makes a 10 speed cassette for Shimano compatible hubs: http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes_steel.html
- Here is another option for converting campy to Shimano cassettes: http://wheelsmfg.com/products/rear-drivetrain/cassette-conversions.html
First generation Liscio frames can absolutely run Shimano Di2, but only with the external wiring kit. The Second Generation Liscio will feature internally routed wiring for both Shimano Di2, and Campagnolo EPS.
Viaje will be Di2 Compatible, but only externally wired, with the waterbottle cage mounted battery pack.
Mostly, we decided to make our own components either because they were not available as were the case of disc wheels with 130mm hub spacing, disc forks that are aero and compliant, or we thought could do it better.
Both Barley, and Robert have over 35 years of bicycle component design experience and therefore as long as we are offering something unique and a beneficial over what exists, we want to do it.
In reality, most manufactures in Asia, have expertise and specialize in certain fields of design that most branded companies share the resources from the same factory. For example, our Sync Endurance saddle manufacturer Velo also manufactures for Specialized (BG saddle), Trek, Cannondale, San Marco’s, Prologo and others. Our wheel manufacturer is the exclusive manufacture and assembler for DT Swiss and shares many components and hand assembly procedures with DT Swiss.
Our Liscio has a weight rider weight limit of 220 lbs. It’s conservative, but it has to be for obvious reasons. The Viaje however, will not have a weight limit. Clydesdales, do your worst.
While the Liscio is designed with enough clearance for full fenders and mounts, it physically cannot accommodate tires larger than 30mm.
We recommend maximum tires size of 28mm, simply because while there is more room there aren’t many 30mm tires out there and if the wheel was to come out of true, a 30mm tire would rub on the chain stays.
Most full coverage fenders will fit with a 25mm tire installed, while a few will even accommodate a 28mm slick tire as well. For those looking for a more aggressive tire for gravel or dirt road riding we recommend something like the 700x28 Kenda Karve.
Yes. The Liscio has eyelets built into both the rear dropouts and front fork blades to accommodate fenders. If you mount full fenders the tire size will be limited to 25mm(28mm with select fenders) although the bikes will easily accommodate 28C tire without fenders.
We do NOT recommend fitting a full rack on the frame – there is a weight limit to the bike and the bike was not designed to carry an extra load. Also, the extra weight will ruin the handling of the bike – imagine pulling a trailer with a Porsche 911 (not good). Remember, the Liscio is a high performance bike – not a loaded touring bike.
Having said that, we have been experimenting with an Arkel Randonneuring seat-post rack:
Their published total max weight limit is 13 pounds. We have tested it with 10 pounds and would highly recommend NOT exceeding 10 pounds (total weight – rack and cargo) with our bike – the weight really effects the handling (especially out-of-the-saddle climbing – feels a little like riding a tandem).
We spoke with a sales rep from Arkel and he thinks there should be no problem with durability – he claims that many of their customers use this rack on carbon posts (and bikes) with no problems.
Barley has ridden a 200K with the rack, Sarah Burke has ridden a 300K with the rack, and we know of others who have ridden with it on their Liscio.
HOWEVER, the Viaje is completely rack compatible.
When our design engineers, who also happen to be accomplished ultra-endurance riders, set out to create the Liscio, they knew from experience what long distance riders were looking for in a bike. This resulted in a ground-breaking frame design we call the Long Bow Flex Stay.
We designed the LongBow Flex™ Stay to optimize the carbon fiber's natural properties to absorb road vibrations and maximize the ability to move up and down. To put this in non-layman's terms: Our patent- pending design gives maximum vertical compliance and suppleness while maintaining a high degree of lateral stiffness or STW (stiffness to weight ratio) for power transfer.
The LongBow Flex™ stay is a revolutionary design that utilizes high-yield strength carbon fiber and lengthens the overall stay to maximize the frame’s ability to give vertical compliance to absorb road vibrations. In fact, the frame’s vertical deflection rate at 6.0+mm/kN is one of the highest in the industry. Even the orientation of the oval shape allows the stay to flex in one direction, while maintaining stiffness side to side for maximum control and power transfer.
Another benefit to the LongBow Flex™ stay is it actually maintains the great handling characteristics of a short chain stay design while enhancing the ride quality. Furthermore, the stay is connected all the way to the midpoint of the frame providing a strut- like design for even better lateral stiffness. As a result, Volagi™ bikes promote better handling and more efficient power transfer.
Most bicycles feature seat stays that connect directly to the seat tube. With LBFS, the seat stays bypass the seat tube and instead connect directly to the top tube. This design, with the help of intentionally shaped stays, creates just enough flex, to achieve improved compliance that results in reduced rider fatigue and improved rear wheel contact with the pavement. While the LBFS serve to take the sting out of the road, the rest of the bike is still able to capture every bit of power, propelling you forward with every pedal stroke. While the seat stays are thin and flexible, the down tube, seat tube, and oversized chainstays remain stiff for maximum power transfer to the rear wheel.
We addressed rider fatigue not only through frame flex but also through the riding position. Aggressive positioning on the bike is great for racing, but it can become difficult to hold that position for long distance riding. The taller headtube allows riders to set up a comfortable position without having to resort to a ton of headset spacers. In addition, we provide compact handlebars to provide a less fatiguing hand position.
Our Liscio frame is built with both 30T and 24T high modulus carbon fiber. The 30Tand 24T refers to the Tensile Modulus strength in (T) tonnage, the force exerted to the composite materials used. There is a blend of 30T and 24T used in the construction of the frame. The actual Tensile strength is inversely related to modulus therefore it's not always advantageous to use the "stiffest" highest mod material since you lose tensile and yield strength, producing a brittle frame that could easily break on impact and lose fatigue life.
It's generally understood 30t and 40t materials are considered "high modulus,” again stiffer but not necessarily stronger. We use a higher concentration of 30T on areas where it needs to be stiff (like the bottom bracket/head tube areas) and 24T where we want greater “yield” strength like our seat tube and long bow flex areas.
95+% of better carbon fibers used in making of carbon composites come from Japan, from brands like Toray and Mitsubishi. Although we don’t specify the exact manufacturer of the fibers used, we know our supplier only uses both of these companies to create the woven sheets with resin applied called “prepreg” that become the frame and fork.
Our frame is nearly 100% carbon composite including the steerer tube and dropouts, with the exception of bolt inserts and the bottom bracket inner shell. Most importantly, our frames are 100% tested and pass the stringent European Standard EN14781 for both strength and fatigue and carry a life time warranty.
In addition to high modulus carbon, we also utilize Nano Carbon particles and Smooth Wall layup to make the best carbon frames possible.
Nano Carbon technology– Nano carbon particles are impregnated in the fiber structure to further enhance the strength while maintaining a high degree of flexibility and yield strength.
Smooth Wall (SW) carbon layup technology– Volagi™ has developed a proprietary technique for carbon layup. This allows for a smooth layering of the internal carbon fiber layers free of wrinkles and voids assuring maximum strength, while maintaining flexibility(where desired).
We are accustomed to hearing that stiffer is better. Well, if the ride is only going around a circle for 30 to 40 minutes on smooth pavement, this might be the case. Most of us though are riding in all kinds of road conditions and enjoy being on the bike hours at a time. Volagi™ bikes are plenty stiff, but stiff in the right places. In fact, our STW (stiffness to weight) ratio of 95 kN/deg/kg is up there with the best racing bikes, but that’s not the whole story.
The vertical compliance, or the frames ability to flex and absorb the small vibrations and bumps, is the other story that shouldn't be missed. We are glad to say that our vertical deflection, the measurement of the frame’s ability to move up and down, has been measured at 5.6mm/kN and we might be the best in the business.
More importantly, it’s how you feel that matters. We guarantee that you will feel better on a Volagi™ and in turn, you are going to perform better and be faster. Now when you have to close the gap with the group or push up the last hill on a double century, all you have to provide is the “will to go” and Volagi™ will do the rest.
We purposely designed the Liscio so endurance doesn't mean slow. From the incredible power transfer, to the razor sharp handling, the Liscio is meant to go fast. Comfortably.
You don't have to sacrifice speed to be comfortable on a Volagi.
Looking at the 55cm frame, the Ultegra model is about 16.7 pounds, the Dura-Ace model is about 16.1 pounds and the Rival model is about 17.8 pounds. The Rival comes equipped with more sturdy set of 32 spoke wheels and doesn't have a carbon crank.
The composite frame is laid in China using Japanese carbon fiber and the wheels are 100% hand laced in Taiwan where most of DT Swiss’ wheels are also assembled. Every assembled bike is fully QC'd and spec'd in our office in Cotati, CA.
In order to build the carbon frame properly, the process requires almost 200 man-hrs and therefore would be prohibitively expensive at this moment if made in the States. China, in addition to having a skilled labor pool also happens to have excellent carbon composite technology that is now second to none.
Viajes will be made in Taiwan, in the same factory that makes other popular brands' high end steel bikes.
Our frames/forks carry a lifetime warranty. Wheels carry a 1 year warranty, and the components carry the standard respective manufacturer’s warranty.
Currently, the Liscio's rear spacing is the traditional road bike spacing of 130 mm. We are making our own hubs and wheel sets to accommodate this spacing, and there are 130mm disc hubs available from White Industries, Velocity, and others.
One of the reasons we went with 130mm spacing is so that you could still use your existing wheels with traditional road brakes – so in this case, if you already have a road PowerTap, you could just use that wheel (without any modifications) with a standard caliper road brake. Since there are currently no 130mm disc power hubs on the market, we recommend Quarq, Look Power pedals, SRMs, or any other option that isn't built into the rear hub.
However, you will see our bikes transition to 135mm spacing over the next year. 135mm offers a stiffer rear wheel, and more readily available hub options, but it isn't as simple as just widening the frame. Careful consideration of heel clearance is necessary, which is why we haven't adopted it sooner.